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PostPosted: January 22, 2010, 11:34 am    Post subject: SEO huh? Reply with quote

Hey, I'm not afraid to say it. I'm an SEO ignorant biz owner and I hate it.

Hi, my name is Val and I'm SEO ignorant. Laughing

I have actually taken an SEO class twice so I have the basics. BUT I'm still an idiot when it comes to many aspects of SEO.

Lets take keyword research for example. Umm, how the heck to I do that? Sure I go to adwords and I have gone and researched. I actually did this yesterday and found a couple of good keyword phrases I wanted to hit that would be really easy for one of my sites.

But then I get stuck. So I understand that I should add them in my metatags and I should add them in article/blog post a few times. But what else do I need to do with keywords? Oh, they should be in my title in wordpress or in my URL on a html page right?

Ok, I'm seriously not kidding. I hate SEO and I'll try to come up with more posts from those that help here. OR please feel free to start some other posts with your expertise so it brings my questions. Laughing
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PostPosted: January 22, 2010, 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(FYI: I say "Val" a lot in this post but of course this is for anyone who's reading along and wants to know more about SEO.)

The first and foremost one thing I'm going to say to you specifically Val, is about your wordpress websites. I haven't taken notice in a while now but I did notice before ... If you don't already have it, get the All in One SEO Pack plugin on your wordpress websites. Once its installed, go into your options and edit your settings.

One thing this plugin does is changes your url's from something like:
http://www.2wahms.com/?id=1235

to something like:
http://www.2wahms.com/my-post-title

Then of course you want your post title to have your keywords in it.

If you cannot find a way to make your keywords sound right as your post title, you can always edit the permalink to be your keywords instead of the name of your post.

(Okay, I just looked at a couple of your sites Val and I see that it looks as though you do have this plugin running now Wink So for anyone else who does not ... go get it!)

This plugin covers the SEO basics and lets you set page titles, meta tags, keywords, and descriptions automatically.

Here are just some of the features and functions:

- META tags are generated automatically.

- You can override any META description, any META keywords and any titles you want (should you feel the need to do so).

- This plugin actually works out-of-the-box. So beginners don't really have to change the option settings.

- Advanced users can fine-tune and tweak everything (*love this*).

- This plugin automatically optimizes your titles for search engines.

And for those who I might have "scared" with some of the terms I just used ... no worries. Like I said, it can be simply used right out-of-the-box and if you do want to take a little more control over your blog, there's lots of help with every option so you can make the best choice for you.

Now with that out of the way ... let's move onto some other things ...

Val - you said you went to "adwords" for your keyword research. Is that what you really do or did you mean to say Wordtracker? I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page here. I personally always use Wordtracker for my keyword research. Majority of the time the free version is more than enough for me. However, if you wanted to get a little more serious with your keyword research, they also have a paid version. (Wordtracker also has all kinds of help to walk you through keyword research.)

Yes, your keywords should be used as much as you can (within reason). Yes, your keywords should be used in your metatags, in your articles, blog post, website content, etc. etc. Yes, they should also be your wordpress page/post title, website page titles and url links. (This is one thing the SEO plugin does for you. It uses the title of your post/page to create the page link (aka: url or permalink).

If you do this for every single page of your site, your website will be optimized.

Keep in mind ... when you're working with adding keywords to your content ... write for human readers first! What good is it for you to optimize a site or page only to have the visitor leave right away and never come back because it sounds like something a first grader wrote. Don't overstuff your content so much that it doesn't read smoothly.

This is how I do my keyword research / optimize a page:
(This is what works for me and meets my needs ... take it for whatever it's worth to you ...)

Very fittingly for this particular post, I want to show you my first keyword phrase I optimized. This was done quite some time ago and I haven't done much with it since.

What I do when I'm using wordtracker for keyword research is type in my original keyword or keyword phrase I want to start with. I can't remember my exact original search but it had to do with online traffic to your website. Now I also already knew that this was a particularly hard topic to rank in. Simply because everybody and their brother searches for it and in turn everybody and their brother is trying to rank well for that traffic.

I personally don't recommend going after those words or phrases that are getting thousands of searches a day/month or whatnot. Those are often your hardest ones to rank well for - again because everyone else is trying too. Instead, I move somewhere down in the middle that are getting enough searches to make it worth my while but not too many that it's next to impossible to rank for.

I look for keywords / keyword phrases that are being searched somewhere between 50 - 150 (depending on how much I want those words or phrases). Think about it this way ... if you find a keyword phrase that is getting 50 searches a day, that means a lot of the "big hitters" probably aren't wasting their time on it and it might be easier for you to rank better. If you optimize one page that is getting 50 searches a day well, that means you could be getting 50 visitors a day to that one page of your site. Then let's say you optimize 20 other pages following this same formula, you're looking at a possibility of 1,000 visitors a day ... 30,000 a month! Not too shabby - especially when you're not having to work quite as hard to rank high with highly searched phrases that everyone else is trying to rank for too. Wink

So, back to my example ... (again please keep in mind I haven't done anything more with this for quite some time).

I'm looking for a phrase that's getting at least 50 searches a day but doesn't have a ton of others trying to rank for the same thing. I'm also looking into a topic that I KNOW is highly searched and people are fighting to rank well for: Online Traffic

I managed to find a keyword phrase that was getting at least 50 searches a day that also didn't have a ton of others trying to rank for it. It was "increase online traffic". (I'm going through wordtracker right now so I can give better "step by step" directions here and I see now that those phrases have since gone up from 50 searches to around 87.) So I went for it.

First I wrote two articles and put them on my website:
Increase Online Traffic
Increase Online Traffic - What NOT to Do

Note the article titles and the urls. Both have "Increase Online Traffic" in the titles and both have "increase online traffic" in the urls.

http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic.html
http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic-donts.html

For a bit more advanced users:
(For the title of your article right on the webpage - NOT - your page title.)
Another thing that helps is the size of your header code. This might get a little more detailed for someone who doesn't know HTML coding or uses wordpress. For mine, I always use H1 and H2. If I remember correctly, H3 also works. Another little detailed point here is I personally do not like HUGE titles on my article pages so I always set it up that my H1 and H2 codes show up as a little larger font than the article text.

I also took those articles and submitted them to a few of the bigger article directories. No, I did not submit them to a ton of article directories. If you hit a few of the bigger ones ... you'll be fine.

Some other little things I did was ...
If I had the opportunity to link to my site on something about online traffic ...
I did NOT link to the home page. Everyone seems to give out the link to their home page and let the person go searching for what you're talking about. Don't do this. Link directly to the page you're talking about.

If I had complete control over the links I was posting (for example a blog post) ... my links would look like this:
(Change { and } to <and>. This is the only way I could get it to work so you could see the whole code.)

Code:
 {A TITLE=" increase online traffic" HREF="http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic.html"}Increase Online Traffic{/A}


... OR ...

Code:
 {A TITLE="increase online traffic" HREF="http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic-donts.html"}Increase Online Traffic - What NOT to Do{/A}


Notice how the title didn't change for either of them. Even though the title of the second one is "Increase Online Traffic - What NOT to Do" I still only used "increase online traffic".

So if you're creating a link on your blog or on your website ... or anything else where you have complete control over the link ... do it that way.

For a little while I used "Increase Online Traffic" in my signature lines. Something like:
(Change { and } to <and>.)

Code:
Need more traffic to your site?  Click here to learn more about how to {A TITLE="increase online traffic" HREF="http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic.html"}Increase Online Traffic{/A}


And it will look something like this:

Quote:
Need more traffic to your site? Click here to learn more about how to Increase Online Traffic


Take note that I did not link the entire line: "Click here to learn more about how to Increase Online Traffic" I only linked the keywords.

You're not always going to be able to have complete control over your links so you're not always going to be able to add that "title" code in there. But if you can ... do so.

If you exchange links with someone (don't go overboard with this!) ...
The code you give them to put on their site is:
(Change { and } to <and>.)

Code:
{A TITLE="increase online traffic" HREF="http://mommyshelperonline.com/increase-online-traffic.html"}Increase Online Traffic{/A}


Don't link to your home page! (Something else everyone seems to always do.) Choose a page within your site you're trying to rank better for and use that. More specifically, use your keywords in the title code if you have the opportunity or at the very least, have the clickable text be your keywords.

Oops! I almost forgot to show you the most imporant part here! This is where I rank for increase online traffic now:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS351US352&q=increase+online+traffic

Again remember, I haven't done anything to those pages in quite some time to help "keep" my ranking. For the longest time I was in something like the first, second and third spots plus a few more a couple pages back. I was ranked in all those spots because I was ranked for MommysHelperOnline.com, EzineArticles, 2wahms.com, etc. I've also noticed over the years that a couple other people must have also found those terms because they were pushing to rank on them too ... kind of fighting me for number one, lol! But to this day I still get a nice steady flow of traffic to those pages. (And that's only two pages out of how many on that site?)

Your main goal of course is to be on that first page ... your secondary goal right under that should be to get in the top 3 - 5 listings. However, if you're just starting out and you get in the top 10 ... you're well on your way to a nicely optimized website.

And remember ... you want to optimize every single page of your site. One keyword / keyword phrase / topic per page. If you find yourself writing and you're starting to ramble off on another topic ... create a new page. Hint: Then of course start interlinking on your own site - link those pages together!

For example, if you're talking about Blue widgets on one page. Somewhere in the mix, you begin talking about red widgets ... don't go any further than a mention of the red widgets, finish your blue widgets page then start a new red widgets page. On your red widgets page, if it makes sense ... mention the blue widgets and link to your blue widgets page. Then go back to your blue widget page and where you mentioned those red widgets ... go back and link your red widget page. REMEMBER: Link your keywords only!

For Example:

BLUE WIDGET PAGE:
(Change { and } to <and>.)

Code:
Blue widgets are the most popular kind.  Blue widgets are always chosen first every time.  Blue widgets come in small, medium and large.  If you want something a bit larger, you'll want to look into the {a title="red widgets" href="http://www.yourwebsite.com/red-widgets.html"}red widgets{/a}.  Children from 1 to 99 all love blue widgets.  All sizes usually will fit in the palm of your hand.


Will look something like this on your site:

Quote:
Blue widgets are the most popular kind. Blue widgets are always chosen first every time. Blue widgets come in small, medium and large. If you want something a bit larger, you'll want to look into the red widgets. Children from 1 to 99 all love blue widgets. All sizes usually will fit in the palm of your hand.


Please Note: The only difference between here on the message boards and on your website is on your website, when you hold your mouse over the link, the words you have in your "title" code will pop up (ie: in this case it would be red widgets). You can't do this on message boards unfortunately which is exactly what I meant a bit ago about having complete control over what your links are.

RED WIDGET PAGE:
Code:
Red widgets are the second most popular kind.  Red widgets are always chosen second every time.  Red widgets come in x-large, xx-large and xxx-large.  If you want something a bit smaller, you'll want to look into the {a title="blue widget" href="http://www.yourwebsite.com/blue-widgets.html"}blue widgets{/a}.  Children from 1 to 99 all love red widgets second best.  All sizes usually will fit in the trunk of your car.


Will look something like this on your site:

Quote:
Red widgets are the second most popular kind. Red widgets are always chosen second every time. Red widgets come in x-large, xx-large and xxx-large. If you want something a bit smaller, you'll want to look into the blue widgets. Children from 1 to 99 all love red widgets second best. All sizes usually will fit in the trunk of your car.


Okay, I could go on and on here but this is starting to turn into something like a novel. But see by doing it the way I do, you don't have to spend a ton of time on every single page. I don't do that because I don't have the time to do this. So as you can tell, I'm more of a "middle of the road" kind of person. That should show by the search numbers I am satisfied with. The "bigger hitters" that are going after the really big keywords and keyword phrases ... nine times out of ten ... they're hiring someone else to do this. Therefore they can afford to take the time to try ranking for phrases that are more searched for. So look at it this way ... would you be satified with your little 20 page site pulling 1,000 visitors a day or 30,000 visitors a month?

I think thats another mis-conception of SEO. I know for me personally, that was a huge mis-conception. I didn't have the time I thought it took to rank a page well enough that it pulls a decent flow of traffic. Once I figured out the "middle of the road" concept ... it wasn't so bad afterall.

For some reason, those three little letters ... SEO seem to scare the dickens out of most. Don't let them scare you. It's not rocket science ... really not all that difficult to learn. Eventually you'll realize that number one ... it's common sense. (Yes, search engine optimization will eventually make sense to you.) Number two ... eventually it'll become habit and you'll find that you'll be optimizing every new page you create automatically and without having to put too much thought into it. And there's really nothing you should hate about it. Val, may I ask what it is you hate? Maybe if I knew what parts you were hating ... we could come up with a solution as to how to make it better for you.

BTW ... reading the articles about increasing online traffic may help you pick up a thing or two as well Wink

If you or anyone else for that matter have any other questions, have a question about something I said above ... or anything else you'd like me to touch base on ... please do not hesitate to ask! I went through a lot pretty quickly so if there is something you don't understand or I didn't explain properly ... please just ask! If you don't want to post here (although you should NOT worry about that, lol) ... feel free to send me a PM.

Take care,
Anita Razz

P.S. So ... how'd I do?? Please tell me honestly how I did with this ... cause eventually this whole post is going to turn into an ebook, report, article or something along those lines for my new upcoming website Wink
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PostPosted: January 22, 2010, 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention something else above ...

When I spoke of submitting those articles to directories, there was one thing I didn't do then that I would change with what I know now. Now I will re-write each article that is submitted to directories.

I would at the very least re-write it one time so the article I'm submitting to the directories is not exactly the same as the one on my site.

To re-write the articles, again at the very least ... re-write the introduction paragraph, re-order the tips within the main content of the article and re-write the conclusion paragraph.

This brings up a whole other topic all together ... duplicate content ...

Is it a bad thing? Can it get you banned?

Like I said, this is an entirely different topic but my thoughts are this ... why test it? Besides, I don't want 20 other sites having the exact same thing my site has anyway. Ya know?

It doesn't take long to re-write / re-order an article. It's better to be safe than sorry.

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PostPosted: January 22, 2010, 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These lists might help some ...

Things Search Bots & Spiders Love & Hate

Search Bots & Spiders Love

    Favicons
    Metatags and doc type declarations
    Properly validated code with no mistakes
    Keyword phrase in title tag
    Graphics that have ALT tags filled in
    Unique, original content
    Primary keyword in title and first paragraph


Search Bots & Spiders Hate

    Flash
    Flash
    Flash
    Did I mention “Flash”?
    Graphics with no ALT tags
    Plagiarism or duplication of content
    Keyword “stuffing” all through the page


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PostPosted: January 22, 2010, 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh hey Val ... this might help with your "what to do with the keywords" question ...

Be Creative With Your Keywords
Search Engine bots don’t recognize punctuation. This is good if you have an awkward and unnatural-sounding keyword phrase you want to use on a page.

For example:

If your keyword phrase was “French cuisine tricks”, you could entitle that particular webpage “French Cuisine Tricks”. This would also go in your <TITLE> tag and you’d be wise to call the page HTML file: “french-cuisine-tricks.html”

However, if you wanted to make it feel more natural when putting your keyphrase in the body of the article, you could use it in your first paragraph like this:

Quote:
“Copious amounts of butter” is the most common complaint about French Cuisine. Tricks to cut down the amount of fat include ...


Cool, huh? Wink You just need to make sure it sounds natural and reads smoothly for human readers ...

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PostPosted: January 23, 2010, 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, have the plug in installed on all my wordpress I believe. BUT, in your general settings of WP you set how the posts and pages will look Wink Should always be the page or post title. Also, can edit the link on the post or page editor in WP.

Yeah, I get lazy and I don't use my SEO plug in even though it's right there to fill in. lol

I use adwords. It tells you how often it's been searched and then it also tells you how difficult it would be to get those adwords if you were going to bid. It was suggested quite some time back to use.

So finding the keywords that were about 150 was what I was looking at yesterday and wrote some down. Yeah, I know where to plug them. I just didn't know which one's to try and use when I did look. So that answered my questions completely Wink Now to just stop being lazy and work it in every post and page.
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PostPosted: January 24, 2010, 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val,
I would be happy to walk you through the keyword research and how to get it going. Too much info made me put it off for so long and finally when I got the basics down, it has been smooth sailing and I have finally been ranking and making money so it's really cool when it all comes together.

I don't use any plugin's and only use this this free keyword tool

Keep it simple!

Let me know how I can help!
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PostPosted: January 24, 2010, 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried joining BetterNetworker.com?
There are many people over there who are working with the SEO tools that could help you.

Try this site also: http://nettrafficmachine.com/
My friend Richard is over there. He does a lot of trainings on SEO Tools, Blogging, Keywords and google stuff.
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PostPosted: January 24, 2010, 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've taken quite a few courses. The bad thing is my follow through Embarassed

So I'm just going to work on that. I put up some posts last night and worked the SEO.

The part I hate is that you are supposed to look up keywords before writing. Well I don't write that way. I write and then go see what I can do with the keywords. Or I just find the main keywords in the article/blog post that I am writing and I don't go look at if they are worth it or not.

I guess my main issue is I write for my readers and not for SEO. So here and there I have to make sure and take the time to write for SEO purposes specifically. That pretty much explains where I'm at right now.
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PostPosted: January 25, 2010, 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, looking up keywords can be time consuming.
Just think of what others would be keying into the search fields.
That should help you out.

In the beginning, I was always looking up keywords in the Google Keyword Tool. Very time consuming. But now, I know what others are keying into the search field.

Use keywords in your SUBJECT and in the BODY of the message.
Here is an excellent site to go to for more on keywords:
http://nettrafficmachine.com/

I found a book that's helped me in my business that I'm in now.
Wish I found it years ago when I was in my other companies.

I'm learning the skills I'm needing to help my business grow.
The skills I need the most are follow-up, advertising and organization once in a while. There's other skills available, but those are the only ones I need for now.

Here's the book
http://tinyurl.com/ylcmx54
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PostPosted: January 25, 2010, 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val,
Just remember when you are researching keyword phrases you are going to be writing for PEOPLE because that is what they are actually searching for when they go to Google. So if you take those long tail keyword phrases and write to your audience, they will find you and exactly what they are looking for...it's not really for the search engines, it's for real people!

Don't over complicate it though...I did that for too long and wasted a lot of time. If I knew then what I know now Laughing
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PostPosted: January 25, 2010, 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right Val
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PostPosted: January 25, 2010, 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angie, I'm sure you just nailed it. I'm sure I over-complicate it. But in my case that makes me ignore it. Laughing

So I guess I just found me main thing to work on for 2010. K, my second thing. First thing for me this year is streamlining and getting rid of sites. I've been so excited as I focus more! As I push my huge twitter and FB accounts to those focused areas.

But I will commit to working on my keywords this year.
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PostPosted: January 25, 2010, 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep - Angie hit the nail on the head there ... said pretty much exactly what I was going to say ... don't over-complicate it cause it's not really that complicated.

Quote:
Just remember when you are researching keyword phrases you are going to be writing for PEOPLE because that is what they are actually searching for when they go to Google.


And that's another of my points too. PEOPLE are your main concern. What PEOPLE are searching for.

Quote:
The part I hate is that you are supposed to look up keywords before writing. Well I don't write that way. I write and then go see what I can do with the keywords. Or I just find the main keywords in the article/blog post that I am writing and I don't go look at if they are worth it or not.


The first thing I have to say here is ... I do NOT do keyword research on everything I do. Not even close. I simply do not have the time to do it. (However, do keep in mind, once you start doing it and get used to it ... it's nowhere near as time consuming as it is when you first start out.)

Another thing I find is when I am researching, I often "accidently" find other topics to write about. Wink I keep a list of the topics for future writing and a list of the keywords I want to use. That's a nice handy list to have.

In the meantime though, I'm sure there's a way you can work it in the way you like to do it. For example, I don't search for "good keywords" and then come up with something to write about it. Well, not most of the time anyway.

I come up with what I want to write about, then do the keyword research to find the best keywords to use in my content. Pretty much just like I did with my example above.

But, there's nothing wrong with coming up with your topic, writing it, researching the keywords based on what you wrote and then if need be, go back and do some editing to fit your keywords in there.

Blue_Eyes has it right here too:

Quote:
Just think of what others would be keying into the search fields.


Like I said, I don't research keywords for everything I write. So, when I don't, I do just that ... think about what I would type in the search engine if I were looking for what I'm writing about.

I only work hard on my keyword research when it's something I really want to rank well for (whether it's right to do this or not ... it's what I do).

Val - I know you enough (I think, lol) that once you really start implementing everything you've learned ... you're gonna say well dang, thats not hard at all. Why haven't I been doing this all along?

I too was over-complicating things in the beginning ... so much I never got around to it. Wink

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